February 23, 2008

You Are What You Write

After the very successful first Picture Fiction Challenge, I thought I'd reflect a little on the experience of it. A big Thank You goes out to all of you who decided to participate - and I know it was hard for some of you. It goes to show how powerful the medium of the written word really is. Another Thank You goes to all of you who went around to read and comment on each one of our stories. Feedback is invaluable for the wanna-be writer.

One of those who commented, really set my mind wandering. I wish I had a better nickname/handle/identification on this person, who prefers to stay "Anonymous". Thought provoking and interesting comments have been left for me by this person, however, and I can't help but look forward to reading them.

I will start this little reflection by responding to "Anonymous". Here's what he/she said in a comment on my "The Cold Room" story:

Anonymous wrote:
You gave people pictures instead of ink blots but the words "rorschach test" come to mind.

People always say "you write what you know." It's interesting to see what people know about cockroaches, drug addiction, loss, pain, death, beatings, violence, sadness and long-shot happy endings.

If I read your story correctly you've been beaten down and isolated.
Your inherent goodness has been overlooked by women.
You feel compelled to rescue women.
You're worn out from being the hero. Now you want a woman to rescue you...

Did I read that correctly? Or am I interpreting your ink blot the wrong way?

I figure this story must have a pretty deep meaning to you. After all 4228 words is one hell of a big ink blot. It takes balls to put yourself out there like that. That's probably why people liked your story so much...

It's hard for anyone to write a true work of fiction.
"We write what we know."


Anon. I didn't respond to anything of which you said in the comments section, but now I will. Let me dissect this and see what we'll find. Lets start at the beginning, shall we?

"You gave people pictures instead of ink blots but the words "rorschach test" come to mind."

The rorschach reference is an interesting one. While I believe there is an element of truth to what you are suggesting, I take that with as much reliability as I take the actual ink blot test. Many people would doubt its authenticity and how correctly it describes the mental frameset of the test subject.

The question here is, is it the individual doing the assessment - or is the assessment done by the picture itself - projecting it's own emotion onto the viewer? If you take a picture that provokes darkness, or evil - each individual looking at that picture will see bad things, right? You don't put a picture out there of a beautiful loving couple, embracing and kissing one another on the beach with the sun setting in the background, and inspire thoughts of murder and dismemberment, right? Such a picture would induce serenity and calmness, and feelings of love - no matter who is looking at the picture.

If we look at the what happened on this first challenge it becomes quite apparent that there was one picture in particular which inspired the writings we got to read. That picture was the "Setting" picture. The run down building caused us all to think of darkness, loneliness, despair and other emotions along the same lines. That one "ink blot" influenced how we interpreted the rest of the pictures we were presented with.

Had we used the same pictures, but changed the "Setting" to an image of a large 18th century mansion, with a beautiful flower garden, and a limo parked out front... we would've seen very different stories indeed.

"People always say "you write what you know." It's interesting to see what people know about cockroaches, drug addiction, loss, pain, death, beatings, violence, sadness and long-shot happy endings."

That's a two-faced statement, the way I see it. I can either read it as if you are suggesting that we write about cockroaches because we know about cockroaches. In which case I disagree. As a writer of fiction, you reach out and find territories and things to write about that are alien to your own experiences. If you take a look at my own story, it is full of violence and death. I have lived a very secluded life, and never really had any violent episodes in the vein of what I write about here.

I have, however, witnessed domestic violence (although, of course, nowhere near as brutal as what I wrote here), so to a certain extent even that angle of your statement rings true.

But, do we want to look at this from a more "factual" angle? I take it from your comment that you took the time to read the stories by other people too, derived mostly from your mention of drug addiction. There was only one story presented in this PFC that dealt with drug addiction, and Emmeline, who wrote that story, does NOT know about drug addiction (as she said herself in comments on her own blog).

Now, don't get me wrong, Emmeline, but I will use your writing as an example in what I'm trying to say here. This is not to put you down or anything - the story you wrote was good, and I truly enjoyed reading it (I don't want you to think otherwise), but I will admit that I thought it was apparent that your knowledge of drug addiction was limited. Of course, if one wants to write a story about drug addiction, and wanting to really convince the reader (including those who have gone through that hell themselves, or witnessed it up close) research is key to a successful story. No one would expect anyone to do extensive research for a "fun little game" like this is supposed to be. What was important about your story is that you fleshed out your characters, and evoked emotion as we were reading. Limited knowledge about drugs, really didn't matter in this case.

What I'm trying to say here, is that when writing "serious" fiction Anon's statement needs to change to "you should write what you know". If we look at how Emmeline's story "Pieces of Autumn" described the drugs, and what the sister was using, this is how it went down:

"She ticked off a laundry list of street names for all kinds of addictive drugs - some of them I'd never heard before."
While it works very well. We understand that she uses a lot of different forms of drugs. But, a similar description written by someone who really knows drugs came to mind as I was thinking about this. That is this excerpt from William S. Burroughs, who was a drug addict, more or less, for almost 60 years, and this is how he ticks off his laundry list:

"When I say addict I mean an addict to junk (generic term for opium and/or derivatives including all synthetics from demerol to palfium). I have used junk in many forms: morphine, heroin, dilaudid, eukodal, pantopon, diocodid, diosane, opium, demerol, dolophine, palfium. I have smoked junk, eaten it, sniffed it, injected it in vein-skin-muscle, inserted it in rectal suppositories. The needle is not important. Whether you sniff it smoke it eat it or shove it up your ass the result is the same: addiction."
That was taken from the introduction to his own novel "Naked Lunch". See how that short paragraph immediately draws us in, and makes us understand the hell that is drugs?

So, while we do write what we know, from the knowledge and experience we have gathered in our lives, it does not mean that we choose to write what we know.

"If I read your story correctly you've been beaten down and isolated.
Your inherent goodness has been overlooked by women.
You feel compelled to rescue women.
You're worn out from being the hero. Now you want a woman to rescue you...

Did I read that correctly? Or am I interpreting your ink blot the wrong way?"

Now this is the part of your comment that really caught my attention.

Not for a second. Not in a million years would I have thought I put that much of my soul into this short piece of fiction. Whether you just hit the lucky numbers and won the Jackpot with your analysis, or you are simply that good at analyzing a person from his writing will remain a mystery... are you a shrink by any chance? LOL!

Lets further dissect this part:

"...beaten down and isolated."

Well, for anyone who read the Introduction to the Rubicon Heart story, you will know that I was pretty much "beaten down and isolated" growing up. I wasn't physically beaten down (except for on a couple of rare occasions), but mentally I really was. I was also very much isolated - closing the door to my room, where I created my own world to live in. That is where I started writing fiction - from the age eight on I have enjoyed putting pieces of my mind into (what I hope to be) entertaining stories.

I will also say that most of the short stories I have ever written, have an element of loneliness and longing. That's where my own label of "Mystery Horror" derived from... one of my favorite stories I've ever written was called "Rest In Peace, My Dear", and told the tale of an old woman who got in a taxi and asked the driver to just drive. She told him a story of love and longing, of loss of her husband, and all the while she was thumping that walking cane she had against the floor of the taxi. There was something eerie about her, something almost scary, and in the end - the cab driver had taken her to a graveyard. She asks him to stop, gets out of the cab, thanking him and then telling him she will now join her husband. Curiously he followed her, and witnessed as she lay down by her husbands grave, and died...

I think I may re-write that story some day. I have often thought of turning it into a movie script, with that short segment being the introduction, where the cab driver would become my main character, and this event having a significant impact on his life. I've thought of merging it with the suicide story "Red Roses On A White Satin Bed"...

"Your inherent goodness has been overlooked by women."

Haha! Yes, I do feel that way, I must admit. Sometimes I am (honestly) outraged by the fact that women choose the guys that will treat them like crap, and not really care about them - whereas I am there for them and will fight to the death to keep them happy. It is a cliché that the bad guys get the good girls, but from my experience it is also the truth in most cases.

Wanna analyze that part further?

Like I said - I was not consciously thinking about any of this while writing the story... but notice how the girl chose the bad guy first? How she only ended up with "good guy" Brian, after she had been beaten up badly by her first choice man, Jake? Is that something I unconsciously put in there as well? And, did I kill Jake as a "fictional" revenge on all the Jake's I've despised in real life? Because I'm a good guy in real life, I would not resort to violence on such people in reality - but brutally slaying them in a work of fiction may be satisfactory to me...

Funny, isn't it?

"You feel compelled to rescue women."

Ok... not so much, actually. But, looking back at it, I find that I have often gotten in a relationship with a woman because I "feel sorry" for her. So, in a way that may be true also.

I am very protective, I would say. So, rather than being put in a situation where they need rescuing, I am adamant they stay away from potential danger (physically or mentally).

"You're worn out from being the hero. Now you want a woman to rescue you..."

Oh, wouldn't that be nice for a change! Hehe... Well, I can't really claim to be a hero, but like I said, I will fight to the death for the one I love - but I will expect something in return as well. When I am the one needing to be rescued, I would expect the woman to be there for me.

The part in my story about her showing up with the gun is where this comes from right? It is, however, a classic "Hollywood" climax. When all other options are depleted - we bring back a character we'd almost forgotten was there to solve the situation (rescue the hero).

"Did I read that correctly? Or am I interpreting your ink blot the wrong way?"

You read that very correctly. I am impressed. But, let me retort... how much of this is true to you? How did this "ink blot" bring these assumptions to your mind?

"I figure this story must have a pretty deep meaning to you. After all 4228 words is one hell of a big ink blot. It takes balls to put yourself out there like that. That's probably why people liked your story so much..."

To be honest... this story doesn't mean much to me at all. While I always put my heart and soul into what I write, this would go down as one of my lesser efforts ever. 4.000 plus words isn't really a lot for me. Like I said, I've been writing fiction since I was a little kid, basically - over this time it has become a natural process for me. Words just flow out, and I become immersed in my writing to the point that the outside world fades away, and I am part of the story I write. I watch as it unfolds.

I think the part about me letting go of reality. The part about me becoming one with the story is what makes people like what I write (at least that's what I'm hoping). I do not sit down and think "I am going to write this and that". What I do is sit down, start writing, and then as I get into the "zone" as I call it, the story presents itself to me - rather than me forcing it out of my imagination.

This is the wrong way to go about writing fiction. But, it is the method I use mostly when writing a short story. I have absolutely no idea where it is headed when I start writing. That is why it is imperative that I return to what I have written, read it through, taking notes and then go back to re-writing, so that I can eradicate any obvious mistakes. Like never addressing a situation I present at some point, which later escapes my memory and is left unsolved for the reader... or as in the case of this story - introducing a gun at a critical point of the story that has not been planted into the events earlier... making the reader think "how convenient she has a gun all of a sudden", instead of the much preferred "Thank God, she saw the gun he left on the table earlier". Of course, I should've added a situation which let the reader know that Jake actually carried a gun... something I pictured in my head all the time I wrote, but never mentioned.

Thinking back on it now, perhaps I should've had her use the knife the other brute was carrying. She could've walked into the room, noticed the knife on the floor next to the body, picked it up and stabbed Jake in the back of the head with it... I could've made the whole ending much more dramatic, but in all honesty I was rushed to finish the thing off.

Further more. I can write a lot, without realizing how much I've written. I just took a look at what I'm writing right now, and realize this is turning into a very long post... I didn't think it would drag on this long.

(Hope I'm not boring you all)

"It's hard for anyone to write a true work of fiction. "We write what we know.""

I'm with you there. The best fiction will always contain elements of our own lives. It is the only way to truly be able to captivate the reader.

It's not only hard - but it is impossible! What comes out of our imagination, and onto a piece of paper is brought out from within ourselves. We cannot reach for something that we do not have inside of us, which is why it is so often said that you put your soul into your writing - because that is true.

That is not to say that any work of fiction is a true reflection of who we are. Often will we write about things we want to experience, or dread it will ever happen to us. But, there is only one way we can approach those things... and that is through what we know, and what we have experienced, whether that be through our own lives, reading books, watching television or studying behavioural patterns of strangers we meet.

If we don't have it in us... we can't bring it out of ourselves.

.....

Now, initially I had intended to reflect some more on the PFC itself - but this post ended up long enough anyway... I'll leave that for (maybe) another post. Let me just summarize this rather long analysis, and response to a thought provoking comment by "Anonymous" with these words;

You write what you know, because you are what you write.

46 comments:

Farmer*swife a/k/a Glass_Half_Full said...

Bravo. In a way you did actually reflect on the PFC itself. By reading your response to anon. and your reflection/analysis of your PFC we can think it through in how it applies to each of ours.

I just love your stuff. I am so glad I found my way to your blog.

Of course, there was a pretty good "bread crumb" trail from almost any other blog I "linked" into.

Looking forward to PFC #2 Monday!!

Anonymous said...

True true.

I wish Anonymous would use some sort of pseudonym so we could always know it was the same guy/gal.

In any case - don't worry, I'm not offended by anything you wrote. You're right, the focus of my story wasn't really the drugs, so it doesn't really matter how poorly I portrayed the addiction because that wasn't the point.

For instance, things wouldn't be that great a mere 3 days later. She wouldn't be that happy, she'd probably be writhing in bed, staying inside, experiencing withdrawal and the true agony that comes with going cold turkey. She probably would have grabbed some drugs to stuff in her bag when she went back to get the stuff from the dingy building, and would have been using on the sly, when her brother wasn't around.

BUT, that wasn't the point of my story, like you said, so I didn't go there. I went the cheesy route instead. :)

Em

Tequila Mockingbird said...

sorry i dont do your PFC's, but i just honestly dont have enough free time to do this. also, it's hard to shoot pics with the camera when your hand is shaking from being drunk.

onto another topic, i'm building shelves in my living room today, isnt that super handy and productive of me?!

Jay said...

Interesting analysis from Anonymous. People often times reveal themselves in their writing. That's part of the fun of reading it. Trying to learn more about the person who wrote the story and trying to analyze them and the story both.

Dianne said...

"If we don't have it in us... we can't bring it out of ourselves."

that thought speaks volumes to me. for me - right now anyway - I would say that if we're fighting with/repressing something within us it can impact the writing in a powerful way - positive or negative. I've been researching a bit about the craft of writing and ran into a sentence that made me stop and think - "writing what we think we SHOULD instead of ..." there are many fill-ins there.

As I try to finish my story I've discovered that I'm pushing the characters into places I feel they should go based on places I feel I should have gone, then I lose them, they start to feel like strangers. So I go from over-involved to detached, at one point I absolutely hated my main character - just wanted to crush her.

It's an odd and interesting and unsettling journey.

I really can't say enough REH how much I value your writing, your thoughts and your advice. And the other PFC'ers as well.

Dana said...

I thought Anon's comment was thought provoking as well, and quite accurate in regards to my PFC - at least as far as the general feel of the story went.

Honestly, I have no idea what it feels like to be a 20-something young man, nor what it's like to live in a cockroach infested flat, BUT I do know the feelings in my story.

R.E.H. said...

Farmer's Wife: In a way, I think this whole post was a reflection on the PFC, which is why I added the (maybe) at the end there regarding doing that reflection thing.

Glad you found me too!

Emmeline: So relieved you didn't take offense. I felt a little bad putting you on the spot like that, but once that William S. Burrough's paragraph came to mind, I knew I wanted to use it.

Tequila Mockingbird: You know I'd enjoy reading what you write though...

...but why would you need to take drunken pictures? The pics are brought to you by yours truly ;)

Jay: I completely agree with you on Anon's comment (of course, I would not have dedicated an entire post to his comment otherwise). Yes, it is interesting to analyze the people behind the written words. But, at the same time, one must not believe too much in what one reads.

Dianne: It's never good if you start to feel hatred towards your main character ;)

Try to step back, let it sit for a day or two, jot down a few notes as to what you want your characters to accomplish in the story... set their goals, not yours, and ask yourself - how would this character go about reaching that goal? Never consciously look to yourself - that happens in your subconscious as you dig through your knowledge and experience.

I'm pleased that you value my input. It means a lot to me if I can help fellow wanna-be writers reach their own personal goals.

R.E.H. said...

Dana: Exactly! That's the part that I missed getting out there in this post.

While we may write a story about a person, as in your case a 20-something boy (which for obvious reasons you don't know nothing about what it is like being), then we project our own experiences and knowledge onto what we have learned about being a 20-something boy.

That is how I go about creating female characters in my story...

So, whatever we write, whether we know about it from personal experience or not - our own innermost knowledge is projected into that writing.

Liv said...

first, all i want to say is that i never, but NEVER give attention to someone who doesn't have the balls to admit who s/he really is. if what they have is really that important to say, then maybe they should own up to who they really are.

Jo said...

Writing for the PFC was fun, great exercise. I write a lot though...so the real journey was reading the other stories--all of them surprised me, touched me. It's funny b/c blogs are often very personal, but these stories really gave me a feel for each person--you don't walk away knowing much in particular, and yet you have a real sense for the mind behind the words, like a perfume. I loved that aspect of it.

I've noticed Anon's insightful comments on your blog lately...and I've noticed Anon seems compelled to analyze you--you're a good sport with it, REH. I'm guessing Anon is Anon b/c a lot of people aren't as diplomatic with serial psychoanalysis.

Sparkling Red said...

I'd like to revise "we write what we know" to "we write what we feel". The elements in our stories are often symbolic, rather than literal, like elements of dreams. Some represent voices we've internalized, others represent people or situations from our past or present "real" life. So I guess the stories would say more about our familiarity with various emotional experiences than with the specifics of our life histories.

Jay said...

wow i would like to figure out who that anonymous person was!

but beaten down? it must have been a really strange person to come to that conclusion..

Anonymous said...

R.E.H. I can tell that you put your heart and your soul into your writings, You are a great writer, I would like to know more about Anon also, is there a blog we cam read of theirs? What goes through his/her head while reading your blogs.

And you sooooo can be rescued by me!! LOL!!! I am on my way!! I love your blog, it is always like I am reading a novel, but you keep on putting up To Be Continued.... and you make me wait way to long!!!!! LOL!!

Single!

Farmer*swife a/k/a Glass_Half_Full said...

Hey, though I noticed and totally loved the pic you attached with your post -- I also noticed that none of us have really commented on that.

I'm wondering how you captured it (timer on your camera, angle your keyboard and keep snapping till your fingers are appropriately located for your picture disguise?) Anyhow, it deserves credit as well. Along with the last post pic, LOL!

It looks like your keyboard took the pic. Love it!

R.E.H. said...

Liv: Normally I wouldn't give an anonymous commenter the time of day either, but I have to respond when it makes me think a lot about it.

I would sure appreciate it, though, if "Anonymous" would provide some sort of pseudonym I could relate to... hey - how about "The Analyzer"? Use that next time, ok?

Jo: Yes, the reading and commenting of other people's stories was a big part of what made this experience so much fun.

I also thought it was a great exercise trying to piece the pictures together.

Anon, does seem to wanna analyze me? Should I be worried? Is it some crazed analytical maniac who's beginning to stalk me? LOL!

I'll be a good sport about it, as long as the comments are reasonable.

Sparkling Red: Yes. That's pretty much what I'm trying to say too.

We do not write what we know in terms of actual events, but we write what we know in terms of emotions.

Often, though, a writer will even write about actual stuff they know about - which is why so many fictional stories center around the experiences of writers for example. Looking at Stephen King - how often does his main characters work as an author?

Jay Cam: I'd like to know who Anon is too. And, yes - the beaten down (while surprisingly "correct") seems to be based very much on the character being beaten down in the story... something which speaks more of the story I needed to tell, than it does of who I am, really.

Single In The City: Thank You. It makes me happy that you enjoy my writing.

I would certainly pay a visit to Anon's blog, if he/she has one.

I'll be calling for you when I need rescuing ;)

R.E.H. said...

Farmer's Wife: Thanks. I enjoy doing those little "post pictures". Coming up with an idea that would work with what I intend to write, and then executing that idea.

Yes, I use the timer. I did prop the keyboard in an angle (notice the ceiling fan behind my head?). Obscuring my face was easy enough... just make sure I block at least half of the lense with my finger.

I really enjoyed the "vacation pic" I did a couple days ago. I felt I managed to do a decent job on lighting and color palette, so that it actually looks like I'm there on that beach with those hot chicks... a guy can always dream, right?

Knight said...

I feel the need to rescue you from anon comments. You are always so open with your writing and I would hate for anonymous readers to keep you from sharing that with us.

Tequila Mockingbird said...

i would want to add in pics. i do that. about to go out, already slightly drunk. oh, i figured out why i stopped smoking pot... today i couldnt find my cell, my keys, and i left my credit card at the bar. soooo... i totally remember now.

fiwa said...

I thought there was some of you in the story, but since it comes from your imagination, there will always be some element of you in what you write. I thoroughly enjoyed reading all of them, but this reminds me that I didn't finish them all. I'll save the rest for tomorrow.

I want to play the next round, but frankly I'm intimidated now. :)

Have a good weekend!
fiwa

Farmer*swife a/k/a Glass_Half_Full said...

The Power of Threes. Yes...I'm back again....sleepily, and Shiner(ly). [Get it, LOL at myself].

Um, everytime I visit (today) and "comment" the 'comment window' pops up with a big'ol flip the bird to me.

Now, I know it's to the A-hole Union Face-holes, but still...I might have a bad "flippin'" dream. [Self realization. Maybe I shouldn't check your blog so much].

GOSH, not your problem. MY PROBLEM. But, as I'm happy my house is "quiet, not a soul to console, and, full cable access(yet, nothin' good iz' on) I was compelled to re-check my FAV blogs...hence your hit, "#3."

[sigh] I feel solitude in that. Ahh, the power of threes. Anyhoo I was hopin' to unexpectedly find the next RH chapter...waaaaay better than the stupid trashy novel I'm currently forcin' myself to read [fall asleep with].

I think, I'm addicted to your blog. Let's wait for the jury to come back and the Shiner to wear off.

Uh-Oh...am I naggin' you? OOps, and sorry. I can't help it...I've been diagnosed....DAMN OCD.

tt said...

Hummm, I scrolled to see what Anon had to say about this post...but he's no where to be found. Interesting. He/she is very interesting to read too. The analizing part anyway...
Did you scare him/her?

Anonymous said...

Get comfortable and grab your favorite beverage as this reply is quite long.

It seems that everyone wants me to post as a blogger so I am no longer going to post as "anonymous." As of today I had an account created for me and will be posting as "unsigned."

To reply on "we write what we know." As a writer you had to "go there" in your head to write your story. Everyone who wrote a story had to. The picture might have been a little dark. It opened the door to a dark place. The fact that people chose to go through the door and walk a country mile is what makes this interesting.

You talk about choice in writing what we know. People make conscious and unconscious choices when they write. I'm sure that everyone who wrote a story had a direct or indirect experience with everything that they wrote about. If darkness was alien to them it would not appear in their story.

In fact several of the stories were not dark at all. I'd wager these people had the least direct or indirect knowledge of the dark side of life.

Do you know what it is like to kill someone? No... Have you imagined it over and over again in your own head? Yes... You don't know it in a literal sense but you do "know it." You know what it is like to imagine killing someone who has hurt someone you love. If you didn't understand that urge you wouldn't be able to write about it. You would never "go there."

You are saying that if you have not experienced the act in real life then you can't possibly "know" it. What you are saying is that a person could not call themselves "heterosexual" unless they have actually has sex with a person of the opposite sex. When I was a virgin I knew my sexual orientation long before I ever had sex.

I'm sure when you were a virgin you never doubted your sexuality for a second in spite of the fact that you had never physically "done it." Did finally having sex with a woman make you "more straight" than you were before?

In criminal law intent plays a huge role in determining the guilt of a criminal. Planning and thinking ahead can also make the difference between first degree and second degree murder. You can go to jail on a "conspiracy" charge for simply planning to do something illegal.

Everyone who is in jail for a crime "went there" in their own head thousands of times before they actually went out and did the crime. How many times did you think about sex before you finally got laid? I bet that number can't even be counted.

Everyone including you had a conscious or unconscious intent to go to a very dark place. That urge came from somewhere. That somewhere is the human mind. If your brain goes there then that says something about you doesn't it?

I don't think I was two faced in my comment. I think that people "know" how to get to a lot of places in their mind in spite of the fact that they have not performed the physical act. The fact that they make a choice to go there and go deep says something about what they "know" and who they really are.

I'd be willing to bet that these people have "gone there" far more often than they'd like to admit. As for thinking about killing people. Are you willing to admit how many times your imagination has "gone there?" Can you even put a number on it? If you're too embarrassed to come up with a number chances are my argument is right.

As for your writing process you say "Words just flow out, and I become immersed in my writing to the point that the outside world fades away, and I AM PART OF THE STORY I WRITE. I watch as it unfolds."

That is your unconscious mind writing the story for you. You also said "I do not sit down and think I am going to write this and that. What I do is sit down, start writing, and then as I get into the "zone" as I call it, the story presents itself to me - rather than me forcing it out of my imagination."

If you did sit down and say "this is what I am going to write" that would be your conscious mind guiding the writing process. Conscious or unconscious those thoughts are still a product of your mind.

You also said "To be honest... this story doesn't mean much to me at all." That is your conscious mind talking. It obviously is not aware of what your unconscious mind is up to. The fact that those words ended up spilled out on the screen shows that the story has a great meaning to your unconscious mind. That stuff came out because it had to.

When you take a dump in the toilet the piece of shit that drops out might not mean a lot to you. Is taking a crap important? Hell yes! If you never did you'd die. Your body has to get rid of that waste. Your mind also has to get rid of waste.

I'm not saying your story was a piece of crap! However, you admit "While I always put my heart and soul into what I write, this would go down as one of my lesser efforts ever." Now that this is out of your system I bet your next work will be much better.

Every function of your life has meaning. The fact that you don't bother to think about it does not change that. You don't normally think about your unconscious mind. That's how it gets it's name. It's still of vital importance.

The fact that the two sides of your brain are not working together makes it harder for you to meet the social goals that elude you. Have you noticed that your unconscious mind is running your life for you?

If you could run your life from any room in the house which one would you choose? I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be the bathroom. Guess where the unconscious mind hangs out...

The reason why I prefer to remain unknown is that my identity is not important. The more you know about a person the easier it is to dismiss the things they say. "It's the thought that counts."

If there isn't a list of what I like, a cute thumbnail, books I've read, favorite music, and political views - the only thing to think about is "the thought itself."

I try to do the best I can to figure people out from the limited information that I get. You play poker. It is a game of "hidden information."

Most of what you learn comes from information that people give away without thinking. These blogs are much the same. Everyone is attempting to project a "table image" that works best for them.

If you look closely people let things drop that do not fit the image they are trying to project. My analysis of you is "all you" and has nothing to do with me.

I'm glad that I have been accurate. All I have to go on is some text. Text that you get to pour over and edit.

Face to face I would hear the tone of your voice, read your expressions, listen to your breathing, note your posture, watch your hand gestures, size up your appearance, see if you sweat, see if you give slight confirmations like a grunt or a small nod, watch your eyes to see if you look up and to the left or from side to side, and control the flow of the conversation to keep you on edge the whole time.

If I do make the odd mistake it is because I have very limited information to work with. Everything I come up with is just an "educated guess" and you provide the "education." Sometimes I don't make mistakes. Sometimes people are not ready to admit who they are - at that moment.

I want to give you things to think about because positive change is within your grasp. When I leave you a comment it is "about you" and "for you" and has nothing to do with me. I have nothing to gain from this.

You have made your short and long term goals very clear. I just want to help you get there. Side tracking you with my "table image" won't help you.

Most people in the blog world seem to be incredibly polite. They are content to pat you on the back and blow a little sunshine up your ass when you're feeling bad. There is nothing wrong with that. I'm glad that they care about you. However, it gets you no closer to your goal.

I will kick you the real deal every time. It might hurt a bit but I do it because I care. Being blunt gets the job done. You can't pound rocks with a compliment. You're better off using a hammer. I'd like to see you reach a goal soon. It's much easier than you're making it out to be. But me telling you that won't convince you.

If I get you to think and ask yourself questions... You will convince yourself that it's easy. You're far more likely to listen to yourself than you are to me.

That is the biggest problem people have. They only listen to themselves. If you want to attract women don't ask yourself what they are looking for. Ask them what they are looking for. Ask them what they think of you.

We are social animals. We interact with each other. What other people think of you is important. Society is a sick form of mental democracy. If you want it to work for you, instead of against you, then understand the people you want to interact with. Ask them how "their system" works and then play the game by their rules.

It is popular to think that focusing on what other people think of you is shallow. That your own thoughts and ideas are of the greatest importance. What is the motto of the great independent thinker? "I don't care what anyone else thinks." Okay... Have you ever noticed that the so called "shallow people" have the least amount of trouble getting what they want out of life?

You've worked for people who are dumber than you. You see idiots that have great relationships with beautiful women. You see people who suffer from a lack of imagination driving cars that cost more than most people's houses.

Have you ever asked these people how they got into a position of power? I mean really sat down and asked them about it. I'm sure everyone has imagined how they got there. People have heard gossip. I don't know a single person who has asked. Except me... I ask those questions. I try to understand their system. I try to understand all systems.

You seem to want what they have. Perhaps you should act more like them? Ask them how they got what you want. Shallow people love to brag. They'll tell you all you need to know.

However, if you don't want to be like the shallow people ask yourself... Why do you want the things and relationships that they have? Perhaps you should change what you're looking for. Ever thought of asking a "plain" woman out on a date? Perhaps you're trying to be a part of the wrong system? Square peg? Round hole?

If we all took in and applied what outsiders observed about us we wouldn't have any problems. They could point out the futile things we do over and over again. We'd think about it... We'd change... We'd work the system. If we don't like the system we'll join a crowd that has a system we like.

I'm not saying all outside opinions are correct. If you listen to all of them you'll be able pick up on the things everyone thinks you are doing wrong. If they all think you're messing up then they are probably right.

When you ask for opinions disregard everything that sounds "polite." That advice isn't worth getting. "We learn from our mistakes." If they are not pointing out a mistake how can you learn anything from them?

People think I'm impolite but it's rare for anyone to tell me I'm 100% wrong. If enough people tell me I'm wrong - I'll admit it - and change my views to fit their reality. After all if I make a mistake I take my own advice and learn from it.

Please expect my future posts to be shorter than this one.

For Everyone:

Since people are curious about who I am I won't be a total grinch when it comes to my identity. I'm willing to entertain guesses on who I am. If you can guess what I currently do for a living correctly I'll write a blog post on any "experience" in my life that you request! Limit one guess per person.

I drop a little "hidden info" about myself in every comment. It is impossible not to. I'm sure some of you are already putting a picture of me together. I could type in a profile. That would be me telling you what I want you to think of me. The "hidden info" will tell you who I really am. Which would you rather have?

R.E.H. - I wouldn't tell you this stuff If I didn't think you could handle it. You seem dedicated to improving your life. I know you'll take all this the right way. I'll tell you one fact about me. I'm not a mean spirited person. I look forward to your guess on what I do. You've got the best insight out of everyone. It'll be interesting to see what you come up with. I do want to see you meet your goals. We all do.

Thoughts?

Thanks

Unsigned

Jo said...

Here's my analysis, REH...

I think assuming everyone had an issue with the word "Anonymous" & replacing it with "Unsigned" is childish. The issue is receiving repeated intimate analyses from a person who is putting absolutely none of themselves out there, but exploiting a social context to do so. This isn't a doctor's office. While a name doesn't say much about us, and would be irrelevant for Anon to add at this point, it initially would have displayed some intent to be social, a personality rather than a sterile entity armed with a therapist's notepad.

Anon suggests that most bloggers employ "table manners" to essentially hide behind manners. What a brilliant excuse to bite--let's call it "authenticity". Just as in the real world, people online will choose how much of their lives they want to make public...that isn't artificial, it's natural assuming not everyone is your dearest mate. And while the diplomacy of manners presents barriers to raw honesty, it opens the door to people getting comfortable enough with one another to build connections, or simply enjoy what they get from one another. Anon clearly doesn't want to build an equal connection, which is why I find her psychoanalysis as helpful as coming across a blurb in passing that you might happen to identify with & think on. But these comments aren't offerred in passing, they're directed, and as bold as every quasi-doctor would feel speaking from behind a curtain.

This is the equivalent of being analyzed by a telemarketer who keeps calling...and one who knows so little about writing, apparently anyone who doesn't plot a story in advance must be writing stream-of-conscious. Many of us are entirely capable of thinking consciously as we go.

I would guess Anon is not a reputable therapist, b/c they understand trust must be built before their life-changing advice can be regarded as credible. Friends usually understand the same. So really, R.E.H., you're hearing from an intelligent person who wants her connection with you to be based on accepting her authority, is addicted to helping you & believes a rough-edged phrase will cure you of feeling good so you can feel bad before feeling really good, considers credibility to be based on how many times she is not found 100% wrong, and encourages you to consider all the bloggers who support you as people who care but don't hesitate to lie to feed your ego...only Anon really cares enough to help you find true happiness. I think you might ponder why Anon cares so much.

I know you'll take all this the right way...You've got the best insight out of everyone. This is what people say after they've slapped someone repeatedly for their own good...and want to control your final impression.

R.E.H. said...

Knight: Thank You. You don't need to worry too much. I wouldn't want to close myself off to you people. I will remain the open blogger that I am.

Tequila Mockingbird: Ok. Well, drunken pics can be interesting some times... they have a way of being "uncensored" ;)

Enjoy your night out on the town!

Fiwa: Yes, that is where "the touch of me" in the story is really at. It is my imagination that brought forth the elements which became my story.

I hope you're not too intimidated to participate. This is fun, I would sure like to read what you come up with.

Farmer's Wife: Uhm... why are you getting the finger in the comments pop-up? Or was that only in your (bad) dreams? ;)

About the Rubicon, I'm sorry to say that it's been put on hold for a little bit. There's too much going on in the "outside" world right now...

I'm sorry about your addiction - not sure there is a "R.E.H. Addicts Anonymous" around (yet) ;)

TT: Apparently I didn't scare him/her away. There's a monster of a reply just below yours... ;)

tt said...

Ok...I'm about to take back whatever it was I thought about Anon. Does the thought "brag much?' stick out to anyone?? He did make some good points, but it appeared to me that he thinks a bit to highly of himself. Which to me is a total turnoff. But, whatev...

Farmer*swife a/k/a Glass_Half_Full said...

I only got to read half way through anon/unsigned's reply/comment.

Waaaay heavy. I'll have to come back and finish it later cuz' I gotta' get kids dressed for church.

This is really getting interesting.

Farmer*swife a/k/a Glass_Half_Full said...

That delete was me; I accidentally posted my comment twice. (Sry)

Dana said...

Interesting comment thread - really interesting!

I'm struck by what seems to be (to me anyway) people coming to your defense and "attacking" unsigned. It's a side of the blogging world I haven't seen, and one that makes me think.

Interesting indeed ...

R.E.H. said...

Unsigned (aka Anonymous): Jambalaya!

(That would be an exclamation of surprise at the length of this reply)

This could be another blog post entirely, but I am not going to turn my blog into a discussion of the human nature between you and me. So I will try to respond to most of what you said here, while being brief and to the point.

Let me just copy that lengthy comment onto a notepad document, so I can keep in next to this comment window for reference while I write.

*copying*

Get comfortable and grab your favorite beverage as this reply is quite long.

I have a full pot of coffee ready. I can smell it - *sniff, sniff* - yup, I'm good to go.

The picture might have been a little dark. It opened the door to a dark place. The fact that people chose to go through the door and walk a country mile is what makes this interesting.

Why people chose to go through that door was because we are playing this game by some set rules. The story was to unfold in that place put forth by the picture. Hence, the decision to "go through that door" was induced by the rules of the game.

That means it was a conscious decision to explore the darker side of things.

I'm sure that everyone who wrote a story had a direct or indirect experience with everything that they wrote about. If darkness was alien to them it would not appear in their story.

Direct or indirect... well, that covers all the bases. Every single person can claim to have had at least an indirect experience with everything. Indirect indicates something we have witnessed through other people, or through media such as books, television and even the internet.

Darkness is not alien to anyone. If asked to picture, or describe, darkness no one is likely to come up empty handed. There will be varying degrees as to how well we can exploit the dark - which is what I aimed to point out in the William S. Burroughs quote.

Do you know what it is like to kill someone? No... Have you imagined it over and over again in your own head? Yes...

Over and over again would be quite an exaggeration.

But, I would say that (if not all, then damn near) everyone has once or twice entertained the thought. Not seriously, of course, but played with the idea of killing someone. Even in the most innocent ways, when as a kid you play cops and robbers. "Bang, Bang! You're dead".

It is human nature to explore each and every emotion known to man - a way of understanding how the world functions.

You are saying that if you have not experienced the act in real life then you can't possibly "know" it. What you are saying is that a person could not call themselves "heterosexual" unless they have actually has sex with a person of the opposite sex.

To begin with... where have I suggested that we cannot know what we haven't experienced "in real life"?

and that is through what we know, and what we have experienced, whether that be through our own lives, reading books, watching television or studying behavioural patterns of strangers we meet.

That is quoted right from the end of my post.

Second of all - the sex reference is your worst attempt yet. Of course we do not have to experience sex to know that we are "heterosexual" - or "homosexual" for that matter. This is an inbred need of human nature. It is one of the strongest physical emotions to mankind. As we grow up, at some point we start taking an interest in sexual experiences. We have been exposed to the nature of this through various media - hearing people talk about it, seeing naked women in magazines and what not - and as a result of these experiences, we find that we are attracted to either sex. You do not have to "experience" sex to know your sexual orientation. There are many other forms of expressing that - such as through hugs, holding hands, kisses, or simply looking at each other. Sex in itself is irrelevant to which gender you prefer sexually.

If you want to write an erotic novel, however, I am not a believer that you could write it truthfully without having experienced sex... the guessing game and the hear-say descriptions left on the page would be lacklustre to those who have had, and enjoyed sex.

I don't think I was two faced in my comment.

I didn't say you were two faced. I said the question posed was two faced in itself.

As for your writing process you say "Words just flow out, ..... That is your unconscious mind writing the story for you.

Of course it is. I'm not saying some alien life form takes over my mind and my body... I allow myself to fall back into that subconscious mind, and let it dictate the story for me. Of course I keep rational thought alive as well, which keeps me from producing completely dream-like stories with little to no structure. Most of this is buried in the subconscious as well. Many years of studying the artform of story structure and plot makes me able see in the back of my mind how the story should unfold.

You also said "To be honest... this story doesn't mean much to me at all." That is your conscious mind talking. It obviously is not aware of what your unconscious mind is up to. The fact that those words ended up spilled out on the screen shows that the story has a great meaning to your unconscious mind. That stuff came out because it had to.

This is plain wrong. I'm sorry to tell you. This stuff came out because I had set out to write A story based on those pictures. I did not set out to write THE story. There is a huge difference.

If you were, by this statement, suggesting that I have an innate desire to write fiction in general - I might be inclined to agree to some point. I get a lot of satisfaction from doing that. But, writing this particular story was more of a chore to me - I was not mentally stimulated by the pictures I had to work with. Nor did I feel a strong bond with either characters or events that took place in this story. It was "shallow" to me, if you will.

I'm not saying your story was a piece of crap!

In fact - you haven't provided any form of direct criticism or praise on the work of fiction itself. And you do a good job of "beating around the bush" on that subject even here...

The fact that the two sides of your brain are not working together makes it harder for you to meet the social goals that elude you. Have you noticed that your unconscious mind is running your life for you?

And from what did you gather this? Every decision I make in life is very much based on seriously thought through concsious analysis of the situation.

The bathroom comment which followed eludes me... poor analogy, I guess.

The more you know about a person the easier it is to dismiss the things they say. "It's the thought that counts."

I beg to differ. This is why you take a friends advice over a strangers.

My analysis of you is "all you" and has nothing to do with me.

Oh, it's got everything to do with you. You would be contradicting yourself if you didn't admit that your own subconscience had a way of influencing the information you gather from reading my words and interpetrating them based on your own experiences and knowledge - your analysis (even as you say yourself later on in this comment) will reveal hidden bits about yourself. The way in which you interpet me, works very much the same way you say we go about reading "darkness" into the pictures we are about to write from. You pick what you know (from what I write), and come to a conclusion based on your own experiences.

I want to give you things to think about because positive change is within your grasp.

Thank You. I do appreciate your concern.

When I leave you a comment it is "about you" and "for you" and has nothing to do with me. I have nothing to gain from this.

But, that right there is a blatant lie.

With the amount of words you write (and considering your own reference to how much 4228 words must mean to me) you are doing this because you feel the need to - if I am to take things to the extreme.

Of course, there is some form of satisfaction for you in doing this. Whether that is to test your skills of "reading me", a strong desire to "help me", or just a plain fascination to the "exchange of thoughts" we are currently having. Whatever the reason - there is something in it for you, and there is something you feel you get in return from doing this.

If I get you to think and ask yourself questions... You will convince yourself that it's easy. You're far more likely to listen to yourself than you are to me.

This is something I completely agree with ;) As you may have noticed, there hasn't been much in the form of agreement so far in this response.

This is what intrigues me about you - the part that I appreciate. Because you do make me take a look at myself, and think about the why's and the how's.

Okay... Have you ever noticed that the so called "shallow people" have the least amount of trouble getting what they want out of life?

No. If it is so, I would say it is because the "shallow people" expect less from life.

Have you ever asked these people how they got into a position of power? I mean really sat down and asked them about it. I'm sure everyone has imagined how they got there. People have heard gossip. I don't know a single person who has asked.

There are as many answers to that as it is to the question how people reached the level of poverty.

Some were born into it, through wealthy powerful family ties. Some got lucky along the way. Some fought tooth and nail to get where they want to go. There is no "one way" to become a successful person. There is no "one mental attribute" which is key to success.

Ever thought of asking a "plain" woman out on a date? Perhaps you're trying to be a part of the wrong system? Square peg? Round hole?

By "plain", what do you mean? Are we simply talking about a woman's looks? That I should ask someone out that I do not find attractive?

Well, there are many forms of attraction. While, often, when first meeting someone it is their looks that determine the interest of going out with them, their personality goes a long way after a while to catching that interest.

Whether we are talking about their looks or their personality - I do not see why I should ask someone out if I don't feel attracted (one way or the other) to the person. It would not be right for me - it would not be right for her, if she were to express feelings for me.

What system? I do not believe in the social structure of systems. I have been part of many different forms of social groups, and I have been able to connect with most of them. From the artsy, gothic, suicidal, party-animals, shallow, happy, unhappy, determined, carefree - the rich, the poor and the in-between. The young, the old, and those my own age. I can fit it, and I have always been welcomed into their social structure.

I'm not saying all outside opinions are correct. If you listen to all of them you'll be able pick up on the things everyone thinks you are doing wrong. If they all think you're messing up then they are probably right.

I will agree with this one. Yes, I will listen to what people say, and when people unanimously agree about something, then I am bound to believe that they are correct.

Please expect my future posts to be shorter than this one.

I would hope so... it's taking me forever to respond to this ;)

(I do enjoy it though - else I wouldn't take the time to respond like this)

I'm willing to entertain guesses on who I am. If you can guess what I currently do for a living correctly I'll write a blog post on any "experience" in my life that you request! Limit one guess per person.

And you said there was no personal gain derived from this? ;)

I will tell you what you DON'T do for a living. You do not write fiction.

You have a much too strong need to stay in the "real world". You analyze and interpret what you read, and you use this information in reference to real life sociological aspects. I get the feeling you are not comfortable in a fantasy world - you need to feel that connection with the immediate reality which surrounds you.

The idea of fiction. Of make-believe, is as such alien to you. A little hard to grasp. And, I do not believe you could put out a 4.000+ word document of pure fiction - which is why you think that it must've meant so much to me writing that. If you speak to a successful writer, you will find that their inspiration comes from many different places.

I hinted at therapist in my post... I don't think you do that either. Sex and turd analogies does not fit in with that picture. Nor does the claim that your identity is not important.

A teacher of some sort?

From your desire to read and analyze people, I would guess that you have sought a place of business in which you come across a lot of people, and where you can study them and learn from them without being emotionally close to them.

So, teacher goes out the window.

Profiler?

How suitable, and an exciting job as well. But would you have the time and energy to be profiling me? Nah.

I am not going to put a guess out there, because I am more than likely to be very wrong indeed.

R.E.H. - I wouldn't tell you this stuff If I didn't think you could handle it.

Oh, I can handle it. Don't worry ;)

And while I will look forward to more thought provoking comments... lets try not keeping it this long-winded in the future.

R.E.H. said...

TT: Yes, I noticed that too. I'm still up for the mental word challenge, though ;)

Farmer's Wife: Yeah, that was a long comment - and I just spent a good portion of my day replying to it. So you got plenty of reading to do.

Will be keeping it much shorter from now on.

Dana: I'm a little surprised by the whole thing myself. I appreciate people wanting to "defend" me, but I am also intrigued by the comments Unsigned leaves. While I hardly agree with everything (as my above response will clearly show), it is food for thought.

But, the whole experience does put some thoughts in my head that I didn't have about the blogging world before.

I will consider these thoughts, and maybe at some point I will post about what I come up with. I've got some quite "interesting" perspectives regarding this, which I have so far kept to myself, until I fully understand them ;)

R.E.H. said...

Jo: Sorry - I missed you between those long posts ;)

Well, I'm not going to bash Anonymous - we did ask for some form of reference point, and we got it. Whatever reason this person chooses to stay anonymous for, is his/her own choice.

I don't think it's so much employing "table manners" that make us be supportive in comments. We chose to read blogs of people we like and that make us feel something - as such we have already decided for one reason or another that we are supportive of this person.

I too, am a little put off by the lack of wanting to share. As I said to Unsigned in my reply, I feel that one is certainly more inclined to take advice from someone we know where they are coming from.

Unsigned has certainly displayed a lack of understanding to fiction writing.

I do ponder why he/she cares so much. It's flattering in a way... and a little intimidating too. Why was I chosen for this hard core analysis? Hehe... am I that interesting to a stranger? And, what personal gain does Unsigned derive from this? Claiming that there is no gain involved to him/her as he/she did in that long reply is ludicrous.

Elle said...

All it takes is one determined critic to ruin a good read. I remember enjoying English Lit in high school then having it ruined for me being forced to analyze and criticize every aspect. Seems like this anonymous/unsigned person (how brave to switch from the former to the latter!) is too whatever to have his/her own blog and instead wants to take up as much space as you'll allow in yours. Where's the whisk broom? Just sayin'.

Farmer*swife a/k/a Glass_Half_Full said...

r.e.h. Finally! I got here to get caught up on all this!. Great response, by the way. But, I was already expecting it -- hence, I was so anxious to get back over to your place and "catch up."

Maybe anon feels left out...maybe we should be nicer and then maybe s/he'll be brave enough to actually "blog" him/herself? Maybe we need to break her/him in slowly since s/he seems new to this community? Be encouraging?

But, I do find it a little rude to jump into your/our game -- as a newbie, and all -- just to be all uptight, "serious" and "analytical."

It's kinda' like walking in on a conversation and adding your two sense when ya' really don't know what they were actually talking about?

(Um, that's not what I did with my first comment when I stumbled in here, is it? I know I was trying to be supportive...hmmm, but, I didn't have all the facts from following it all yet. [I don't want to be a hypocrite]).

But, in the least. Aren't we supposed to introduce ourselves and kinda' get to know the gang first?

(Listen to me, all groupie like and part of the click [smiley-wink]

Anyhoo, I'm not giving ya' fake pats on the back. I don't think any of us are. But, my Mama told me "if ya' aint got something nice to say, then don't say nothin' at all." Or, maybe I caught that on the Bambi movie ;) Same point, either way Happy Saturday!

R.E.H. said...

Elle: Well, hopefully (as Anon/Unsigned said) there'll be shorter analytical responses from now on. I can't have my blog turn into a Therapy for Dummies session.

Farmer's Wife: Well, it's good to know the "drama" of the last couple of days is found to be interesting. I've sure enjoyed thinking about it and responding to "Unsigned".

However - this can not go on; Not like this, or we will all start to be a little fed up with the whole thing.

While I chose to be very open and personal with my blog - even I will have limits as to how much I'll want to reveal and let out there.

While Unsigned has been right in some of his/her analysis, some have been outright wrong as well.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm. This unsigned/anonymous thing has been interesting to watch unfold. I think you provided a very polite, courteous, eloquent, and yet firm reply to him REH. Good job. I am kind of interested to see what kinds of petty things Unsigned would say about me were he to take a jaunt over to my blog. Maybe I don't want to know. Haha.

Em

R.E.H. said...

Emmeline: It has been interesting. I think I wrote more in comment replies than I have in actual blogs the last couple of days ;)

I've found it quite interesting, I'll admit. Unsigned is welcome to stick around and provide little snippets of his/her analysis, rather than getting it all out there at once. It is quite exhausting, as I have other things to tend to during the day as well ;)

Leighann said...

Wow I'm coming in really late on this one and have no idea where or how to start commenting.

So.... I'm just going to tell you that I have a great rack and leave it at that!

;)

R.E.H. said...

Leighann: Great Rack!!! Wow!!! ... now what was it we were talking about... your boobies, right?

Leighann said...

Watch them go round and round....

You're getting very sleepy....

Round and round....

muwahahaha!

R.E.H. said...

Leighann: LOL!

Newt said...

Holy crap, my eyes are crossing! This has been fascinating to say the least.

Who'd have thunk PFC would lead to all this????

R.E.H. said...

Newt: Yeah, things got interesting all of a sudden, hehe ;)

Anonymous said...

How can i wipe windows xp from my laptop and reinstall windows Me -the laptops first software?
I have recently bought a acquainted with laptop that is old. The person I had bought it from had installed windows xp on it, regular though it originally came with windows Me. I fall short of to oust the windows xp because it runs slows on the laptop because it takes up more thought than the windows Me would. Also I paucity to unseat windows xp because it is an proscribed copy. So when I tried to hop to it updates on it, windows would not set up updates because the windows xp is not genuine. [URL=http://dwzagoj.makesboyscrazy.com]anco wiper refills[/URL]
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Answers :

It's more advisedly to scram [URL=http://rgofixu.makesboyscrazy.com/antonelli's-pizza-inc-maryland.html]antonelli's pizza inc maryland[/URL] Windows XP and good upgrade your laptop. It's much better. [URL=http://lbqaqou.makesboyscrazy.com/palmistry-symbols.html]palmistry symbols[/URL] In addition, Windows XP is way [URL=http://pgbgeae.makesboyscrazy.com/amway-grand-plaza-hotel.html]amway grand plaza hotel[/URL] more advisedly then Windows Me. Windows Me is d‚mod‚ and many programs that can come across with XP, can't [URL=http://vfnkpom.makesboyscrazy.com/samsung-s630-software.html]samsung s630 software[/URL] vamoose with Me.
------------------------------
all you participate in to do is insert the windows me disk into the cd drive. then reboot your laptop, when the coal-black [URL=http://lbqaqou.makesboyscrazy.com/palm-beach-costume-jewelry.html]palm beach costume jewelry[/URL] sift with all the info comes up and when it asks u to boot from cd [URL=http://pgbgeae.makesboyscrazy.com/oregon-xj-cherokee.html]oregon xj cherokee[/URL] belt any key when it tells you to then put from there !!! I RECOMEND SINCE ITS AN ILLEAGLE COPY TO WIPE [URL=http://pgbgeae.makesboyscrazy.com/orem-prescott-stewardship.html]orem prescott stewardship[/URL] MANIFEST THE [URL=http://tjjijoe.makesgirlscrazy.com/terry-bear-miniature-australian-shep.html]terry bear miniature australian shep[/URL] CONTINUOUS TIRING DRIVE WHEN IT ASKS YOU WHICH UNDENIABLE [URL=http://vayaxff.makesboyscrazy.com/pysanky-eggs.html]pysanky eggs[/URL] DRIVE TO INSTALL IT ON. THEN ADD ALL THE FREE PAUSE ON THE WASTE [URL=http://seffovi.makesgirlscrazy.com/homebuilt-projector.html]homebuilt projector[/URL] HARD DRIVE ONTO A DIFFERENT FILE FINGERS ON, IT WILL LOOK LIKE C:/ Open or something like that

Anonymous said...

You have hit the mark. In it something is also to me it seems it is very good idea. Completely with you I will agree.

Anonymous said...

look our best site -

[url=http://trailfire.com/tramadol_online_z1m?tab=Comments] valium on line [/url]

http://trailfire.com/tramadol_online_z1m?tab=Comments
[url=http://trailfire.com/tramadol_online_z1m?tab=Comments] order valium [/url]

Anonymous said...

Hello, all is going nicely here and ofcourse every one is sharing facts,
that's really excellent, keep up writing.

Also visit my blog post ... weightloss camp